Blue Water Navy Vets

During 10 years of the war in Vietnam the United States sprayed approximately 20 million gallons of Agent Orange over Indochina. In 1991 Congress approved the Agent Orange Act of 1991 to provide full medical coverage for Vietnam veterans suffering from a litany of chronic diseases related to Agent Orange exposure.

In 2002 the VA stripped most Navy veterans of coverage under the bill, in spite of studies showing the sailors likely were exposed to dioxin, the active chemical and chief carcinogen in Agent Orange, through contamination of their drinking water. Thousands of those sailors are continuing the fight this year to have that coverage reinstated — a fight against the clock to win medical coverage for many of the sailors before they succumb to prostate cancer, heart disease and other ailments.

This post includes a two-part piece I wrote with several of those veterans. If you’re so inclined after reading it, consider contacting your Congressional delegates and let them know what you think of this issue, and specifically the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act of 2017.

Navy veterans fighting for their shipmates


The bow and gun turret of the USS Oklahoma City is seen in Da Nang Harbor during the war in Vietnam.

Almost a half century ago, two young men from Northwest Oklahoma enlisted in the U.S. Navy to see the world and to serve their country in Vietnam.

Jerry Tindel, of Ponca City, and Bob Roberts, of Enid, didn’t know each other, and in more than two years of serving aboard the same ship, they never met.

Now, 50 years later, the two men have enlisted in a new fight — the fight to win medical benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for their former shipmates, men they feel were exposed to the long-term health effects of Agent Orange in ships’ drinking water.

Tindel and Roberts are part of a loosely affiliated group of as many as 90,000 veterans known as Blue Water Navy Veterans, sailors who served aboard ocean-going warships in Vietnam.

Background of Agent Orange

During a 10-year period of the Vietnam war, from 1961 to 1971, U.S. forces sprayed approximately 20 million gallons of herbicides over Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos.

The most common herbicide was known as Agent Orange, and it contained the chemical dioxin, which would later be discovered to cause a wide variety of cancers, heart disease, Parkinson’s disease, neuropathy and Type-2 diabetes.

Congress passed the Agent Orange Act of 1991 to provide medical coverage through the VA for veterans exposed to Agent Orange.

Blue Water Navy sailors, like their counterparts who served ashore and in riverine operations, were covered under the Agent Orange Act of 1991, and were presumed to have been exposed to dioxin while serving aboard ships.

That coverage was effectively stripped for Blue Water Navy sailors in 2002, when the VA changed its rules for determining a service connection to illnesses related to Agent Orange exposure.

After the 2002 change, Blue Water Navy sailors would have to prove they had been exposed to Agent Orange, rather than having the previous presumption of service-related dioxin exposure.

Proving that exposure aboard ship is not feasible, since the Navy did not measure dioxin levels in onboard drinking water or on surfaces, meaning sailors have to prove they had “boots on the ground” or have served in inland waterways in Vietnam in order to be eligible for the same coverage afforded veterans who served ashore.

Tindel, Roberts and other Blue Water Navy Veterans argue that requirement means a decision over whether or not to provide benefits can hinge on something as arbitrary as whether or not a sailor played in a softball tournament, or rode in a bus to the airport.

A tale of two sailors

Tindel joined the Navy in January 1967, and after completing boot camp in San Diego, he received his first assignment as a radioman.

The native of Ponca City thought he was returning home when he heard the assignment.

“This Chief Petty Officer said, ‘Well son, you’re going to Oklahoma City,’ and I got a big smile across my face and I thought, ‘Oh great, I’m going back home,'” Tindel said.

It turned out the Chief meant the USS Oklahoma City, a Cleveland-class light cruiser then serving as the flagship for naval operations in Vietnam.


The USS Oklahoma City, seen steaming during the war in Vietnam.

Tindel reported aboard the Oklahoma City in June 1968, and remained assigned to the ship until January 1971.

Roberts arrived on the Oklahoma City six months after Tindel, and served as a deck seaman on the ship from December 1968 to December 1971.

During the time the men served on the Oklahoma City it frequently performed naval gunfire support, firing on enemy positions from relatively close to shore, and routinely anchored in Da Nang harbor for gunfire operations and to resupply.

“Many of the times when we came out for gunfire support we were in Da Nang harbor,” Tindel said. “We were there a lot.”

Roberts estimated the ship spent five to seven days out of every month in Da Nang harbor while the ship was conducting combat operations.

But, the line between service members who are covered for exposure to Agent Orange and those who are not remains firm for the VA: sailors aboard ship are not covered, while those who set foot on the pier, a short distance away, are covered.

Tindel, who now suffers from coronary artery disease, Type 2 diabetes, neuropathy and coronary vascular disease, is covered by the VA under the presumption of service-related exposure to Agent Orange for one simple reason: He was on the ship’s softball team.

The Oklahoma City’s softball team was invited to play in a tournament in 1969, which would have required the team to fly out of Da Nang Air Base to Japan.

“We pulled into Da Nang Harbor, and a landing craft came and picked up the softball team and took us ashore,” Tindel said.

Tindel and his teammates spent two days waiting for a flight, then returned to the ship without ever making the tournament.

Almost 50 years later, when Tindel started suffering from illnesses related to dioxin exposure, it took him five years and four claims to win coverage from the VA. He said it was those two days waiting at the Da Nang Air Base that won his appeal.

Roberts and their other shipmates who remained aboard the Oklahoma City, anchored nearby in Da Nang harbor, are not covered.

Roberts said he is not showing any symptoms of diseases related to Agent Orange, but he said there’s no reason to make distinctions between sailors based on whether or not they went ashore.

“They say one guy’s not covered because he was on the ship, and another guy is just because he went ashore at the dock, or rode to the airport … that guy’s no more exposed than he already was on the ship,” Roberts said. “It’s like being exposed to anything that causes cancer; we might both be exposed to something that causes cancer, and you might get it, and I might not.”

Roberts said he feels compelled to fight for his shipmates, even if he never suffers from a dioxin-related illness.

“We all served together,” Roberts said. “We were shipmates. We have to look out for each other.”

Can’t prove they were; can’t prove they weren’t

The fight since 2002 over whether or not to fully cover Blue Water Navy Veterans for dioxin-related illnesses has hinged on the ability, or inability, to prove sailors were exposed to Agent Orange while aboard their ships.

The VA has long argued there is insufficient evidence to show sailors were exposed to dioxin, unless they went ashore, maintaining “boots on the ground” as the criteria for a presumption of service-related exposure.

Blue Water Navy advocates, on the other hand, point to an Australian study that supports their assertion that dioxin-contaminated potable water was used aboard the ships.

That study, commissioned by the Australian VA, found that a distillation process used to create drinking water from seawater concentrated dioxin that had run off the shore into the seawater. The Australian VA subsequently determined to provide equal coverage for Agent Orange exposure to both ground and shipboard veterans.

The National Academies of Science Institute of Medicine (IOM) attempted to recreate the findings of the Australian study, and found in 2011 it could not be determined whether U.S. sailors were, or were not exposed to dioxin in their drinking water.

In their report the IOM committee stated their “assessment corroborates the Australian finding that in experiments simulating the water-distillation system used on Navy ships the system had the potential to enrich TCDD (dioxin) concentrations from the feed water to the distilled potable water.

“However,” the report continued, “without information on the TCDD concentrations in the marine feed water, it is impossible to determine whether Blue Water Navy personnel were exposed to Agent Orange–associated TCDD via ingestion, dermal contact, or inhalation of potable water.

“The committee was unable to state with certainty that Blue Water Navy personnel were or were not exposed to Agent Orange and its associated TCDD,” the IOM report concluded.

Blue Water Navy Veterans also point to water taken from shore facilities while in port as a possible source of dioxin exposure.

According to U.S. Navy records, in the month of July 1967 alone the port of Da Nang saw 134 port visits by U.S. Navy ships, which took on three million gallons of potable water from shore facilities.

The shore facility water was collected, treated and stored ashore — where servicemen are presumed to have been exposed to Agent Orange — but was not tested for dioxin levels before being supplied to the ships.

Unequal treatment

Tindel said he’s thankful he has won full coverage for his illnesses because of his two-day visit to the Da Nang Air Base. However, he said, his shipmates who remained aboard are receiving unequal treatment, even though the Australian study shows they likely were exposed to dioxin.

“The evaporators on those ships were sucking that stuff in from the harbors, we were bathing in that stuff and eating food processed in it,” Tindel said. “We have as many illnesses as, if not more than, some of the guys who were serving inland.”

Roberts maintains a positive view of his time in the Navy.

“I saw countries I’d never see the rest of my lifetime,” Roberts said. “For a little old country guy like me, I’d have never seen those countries otherwise.”

However, he has a dimmer view of the way his country has treated his shipmates since the war.

“It’s not good,” Roberts said. “We should all be treated the same.”

Fight continues for Agent Orange coverage for Blue Water Navy vets

The fight over whether or not to provide full coverage to U.S. Navy veterans who suffer from illnesses related to Agent Orange exposure in Vietnam may be decided on the floor of Congress if legislators act on bills submitted earlier this year.

Versions of the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act of 2017 have been introduced in the House and Senate, and both would extend full Department of Veterans Affairs coverage for Agent Orange-related illnesses to Navy veterans who served in the territorial seas of Vietnam.

Those sailors were covered under the Agent Orange Act of 1991, but had that coverage stripped by a VA rule change in 2002.

This year’s efforts to reinstate coverage for the Blue Water Navy Veterans, as they call themselves, are not the first. Several previous bills have failed to make a floor vote, and legal challenges to the VA have fallen short.

Mike Yates, who served aboard the guided missile cruiser USS Bainbridge in Vietnam, is an advocate for his fellow Blue Water Navy Veterans.


USS Bainbridge CGN-25

Yates started Blue Water Navy Awareness, a 2,275-member Facebook group designed to raise awareness of Agent Orange-related illness among Navy veterans.

Yates said past measures to reinstate full coverage for Blue Water Navy Veterans have fallen short for one reason: money.

“The problem is finding the money to pay for it,” Yates said. “Right now, what’s happening is, there’s just not much being done.”

The Congressional Budget Office has yet to conduct a cost estimate for either version of the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act of 2017.

In testimony to Congress, Blue Water Navy advocates have estimated the cost of the bill at more than $1 billion over 10 years. The VA has put that estimate as high as $5 billion.

Yates conceded that’s a considerable amount of money — in either estimate. But it’s not too much to cover, he said, considering how much our nation continues to spend in Vietnam.

According to U.S. State Department figures, the U.S. has sent more than $1.1 billion in foreign aid to Vietnam over the last 10 years, including allocations approved for 2018.

More than half that money has been allocated for health programs and direct medical aid in Vietnam, and since 2007, Congress has appropriated more than $130 million for remediation of areas of Vietnam contaminated by dioxin, a cancer-causing component of Agent Orange.

Almost $95 million has been allocated since 2010 to clean up approximately 90,000 cubic meters of dioxin-contaminated material at Da Nang Air Base, a short distance from the harbor at Da Nang, where U.S. Navy warships routinely docked and took on potable water.

Yates said he’s hopeful Blue Water Navy Veterans can educate the public and Congress about both Agent Orange exposure and the amount of money being spent in Vietnam.

“We’re hoping to put a lot more pressure on Congress this year,” Yates said. “I think a lot of people, including people in Congress, don’t realize how much money we’re spending in Vietnam.”

Yates said he isn’t opposed to cleaning up dioxin contamination in Vietnam, but it shouldn’t come at the expense of treating veterans at home.

“I have no problem with them paying for that over there, but they have to pay to take care of our veterans here first,” Yates said. “They’re doing a good job taking care of the veterans who served on the ground over there, but not the sailors. I don’t think that’s fair.”

Jerry Tindel, of Ponca City, agrees with that assessment.

Tindel served aboard the USS Oklahoma City off the coast of Vietnam and in Da Nang harbor, and now suffers from multiple Agent Orange-related illnesses.

“We’re over there spending millions of dollars cleaning up that territory, and we’re not taking care of the guys who were over there fighting, and that burns me to no end,” Tindel said. “I think everyone in Congress now knows the Blue Water Navy should be covered, but they can’t seem to come up with the money.”

The Congressional delegation for Northwest Oklahoma is split over support for the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act of 2017.

In response to a request for comment on his stance on the Senate version of the bill, Sen. James Lankford’s press secretary, Aly Beley, provided a statement that did not commit one way or the other.

“Any Oklahoma veteran that needs help to connect with the VA should reach out to his office directly as the US Department of Veterans Affairs offers disability compensation related to Agent Orange exposure to any service member who stepped foot in Vietnam or served on its inland waterways any time between January 9, 1962, and May 7, 1975,” Beley wrote.

That definition fits with the VA’s current stance, which excludes Blue Water Navy Veterans who did not step ashore or serve on inland waters.

As for whether Lankford would support the proposed bill to expand coverage, Beley provided only an update on the bill’s status on Sept. 8.

“SB422 is one of many bills introduced in the Senate this year that seeks to expand VA benefits related to Agent Orange exposure,” Beley wrote. “As of today, SB422 has been referred to the U.S. Senate Committee on Veteran’s Affairs where it awaits further action.”

Congressman Frank Lucas supports expanding coverage for Blue Water Navy Veterans, according to his director of communications, Andrew Witmer.

“Congressman Lucas supports the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act of 2017 (HR 299),” Witmer wrote to the News & Eagle, “and he cosponsored the legislation back in January of this year.”

In a written response to the News & Eagle, Sen. Jim Inhofe said expanding the VA’s Agent Orange-related coverage for Blue Water Navy Veterans would be “duplicative.”

“Under current law, veterans can identify and claim a service connected disability, making this legislation duplicative,” Inhofe wrote. “However, I encourage any veteran who believes they are wrongly being denied disability benefits to contact my office in Enid to speak with a VA caseworker about your individual situation. This will allow me to personally monitor the case and ensure fair consideration is being granted by the VA.”

“I will continue my long-standing efforts to hold the VA accountable and to ensure that all veterans get the care and support they earned,” Inhofe wrote.

Yates said the bill couldn’t be considered duplicative, since the current VA regulations state Blue Water Navy Veterans “must show on a factual basis that they were exposed to herbicides during military service to receive disability compensation for diseases related to Agent Orange exposure,” while service members who stepped ashore “are presumed to have been exposed to herbicides when claiming service-connection for diseases related to Agent Orange exposure.”

Yates said he didn’t know if Inhofe’s staff was misinformed about how VA claims for Agent Orange exposure work, or if Inhofe “doesn’t have his fact(s) straight, but he is wrong.”

Inhofe’s response underscores the need to educate the public and Congress about the issue of Blue Water Navy Veterans and Agent Orange exposure, Yates said.

The fight to educate lawmakers and the public, and to regain for Blue Water Navy Veterans the coverage they were awarded in 1991, is a fight with a running clock, Yates said.

“We have to get covered with benefits,” he said, “because a lot of the veterans can’t survive any more because of the medical bills.”

That’s an issue that hits home for Yates. In 2014 he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, and currently suffers from heart disease and precancerous lesions on his skin — all conditions that would be considered service-related for Agent Orange exposure if he’d set foot on land in Vietnam.

Because he remained onboard his ship, he is not eligible for Agent Orange-related coverage. He does receive VA benefits, but because his ailments aren’t considered service related, he’s left paying co-pays and medication expenses.

Those bills have forced him to return to work, which cuts into his time to advocate for himself and other Blue Water Navy Veterans.

Yates is cautiously optimistic the current administration will make headway in restoring Agent Orange-related coverage for Blue Water Navy Veterans.

However, he repeatedly tells members of his Facebook group if he dies before coverage is restored, the fight’s not over.

“I have made a file with all the information in it so that my wife can continue to file a claim,” Yates wrote to his fellow veterans. “So just because I die doesn’t mean my claim automatically dies.”

If you’d like to share the original publications of this story, it can be found in two parts in the Enid News & Eagle, 9/24/17 edition, here and here.

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